Post by dannylirette on Apr 7, 2010 5:18:48 GMT -7
A conversation took place, publically, on Facebook yesterday.
It all started when a Christian became cruel with a person who had lost his faith and I felt truly led by God to rebuke her openly for her unChristlike behaviour towards a teenager without God and then to minister to him.
The end result is a miracle! I will post it here... be blessed, Praise God!
His name is Carl... so keep your eyes on his words and notice how the moving of the Spirit takes place as the conversation progresses:
Elisa
Goooodmorning everyone!!! What a blessing to wake up to see a new day.What a JOyyyyy !!
)) Sweet Jesus,Thank you so much ! Hope all of you have an awesome day.
Dino
Goodmorning Elisa!!!!
Carl
If he's "sweet", then why is it people didn't wake up or other died...
Elisa
Just because some people did not wake up this morning,does not mean He is not Sweet dear Carl. God is not to blame.All have been given time on earth what we do with that time is up to us. Who is innocent? We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death. He gave life ,He can take it away if he wants.Innocent people die because of sin. People get sick because of sin. Choices we make over our lives can shorten or prolong our lives. Everyone dies. Good or evil, male or female, young or old.
Rafael
g'mornin
Suzan
tell him lisa...I HATE WEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT GOD....if u dont spend time with him...hes not gon spend time with you...in short...why wud he evn bohter to help u?...wen u show no respect to Jesus at all...
Jonathan
I agree with you Elisa:) The last sentence says it all-"choices we make can shorten or prolong our lives". When God tells us one thing and we decide to do our own thing that is when we get sick/die/hurt etc. Those who don't know/experienced God will never understand how AWESOME HE IS. He's sweeter than life.
Danny
Suzan Kartoikromo, when we as Christians speak as you have to non Believers it's no wonder they show Jesus no respect, because Jesus' people don't seem to show respect to non Christians. If you want to see Carl show respect to Jesus, perhaps you should show respect to him by explaining WHY Jesus is wonderful. No offense, sister, but your words are not at all Christlike. Jesus NEVER told His Disciples not to "bother to help" non Christians. Non Christians DON'T love Jesus because they don't KNOW Jesus; what else did you expect form a noon Christian?Show the love of God, Suzan Kartoikromo, or simply don't speak as you make Christians look like mean spirited people with the words you coldly wrote to Carl. To Carl: Please don't for one moment think that Christians will not "bother with you". If you would ever like to talk about Jesus, Elisa is there to share Jesus as are many other Christians who can explain with compassion why we believe as we do. May the light of Christ shine on you, Carl, and may you come to know the One who died to give you life.
Carl
Everyone who commented on this post is going to die sooner or later...it could be today, tomorrow or sometime this week...anywhere anytime...there are so many religions with different Gods who look different.. All these are faith because human nature is scarred of death and need to believe there is someone out there watching out for them or is waiting for them after death...where you're all wrong is that there is nothing out there, even if there were; then he/she isn't fair at all.
Carl
Where is that light located? I can't see it..btw, not all non-Christians don't know who you call Jesus...some have just lost their faith..
Carl
If you have all fallen short of his beliefs or what he wants...how could you call yourselves believer?
...I'm not a believer, yet I can be the nicest person in my school...not because someone or a friend or neighbor doesn't believe make you better than him/her...scientist have already proven your God wrong through theories...
Carl
God enjoys taking lives then....he take the lives of baby's all the time...
Carl
Btw Suzan, I don't complain about God because idc. I just like expressing my non-beliefs and try to show people that they're just brain-washed...
Danny
Carl, I never chose Jesus... He chose me. Supernaturally He saved me without my "studying" religion, etc. You see, all religions have a founder, but only my God (Jesus Christ) rose from the grave. If He didn't rise, why then did the Romans not produce His body to "prove" that He was a liar? It would have been soooo easy to prove Jesus was a liar because the Romans could have taken His body....UNLESS He really did rise from the dead. That's the problem... no one can produce the body of Jesus even though the Romans had every chance to do so. Three days later, He rose from the dead. The question, Carl, is whether when you die you'll stand before God pure of fornication, lying, etc. If you decide to take that chance, to gamble with your soul, then know that an eternity in Hell, separated from God, awaits you. If, however, you sincerely go to God in prayer asking Him to reveal Himself to you, you can be set free form the power of sin and separation from God. At it stands, you're spiritually dead in your sin and that may not sound appealing to you but God says that unless you turn from sin, Carl, that you will perish. The Good News is that Jesus Christ is alive and sits now on the right hand of God the Father. There's no reason that you need to live in your sin anylonger because Jesus Christ invites you to come to Him in simple faith. The question is: Will you?
Carl
My only question is "is there a God and how do we know or are we just waisting our time Danny?
Carl
Dear Danny, I'm enjoying life as it is without a God and we all lie...we just don't admit the fact that we lie...people could say otherwise about your God name Jesus...if he doth exist, why won't he prove himself or show himself to his believers...doesn't he have enough power to make believer eternal and make everyone his own.
Carl
How do you know so much about the body of "Jesus" rising and his existence? Do you read the bible? Who wrote the bible? Are those primary sources? Were you present at the time of all of their stories? The bible is just a poem and it's not perfect...you have to comprehend what you've read and not just read it and say exactly what it says.
Carl
Why is it Priest or Pastors take your money? Why do you have to go to church? Can't you just pray in your house and speak to him yourself? Why did he choose you Danny and not everyone else..the world is horrible out there and your beliefs won't save you from getting killed, assassinated or dying...do animals believe in God too? Are they believers also? It's interesting how your God created everything and the Bing Bang theory is proved?
Danny
Carl, the Bible gives the answer very clear. Jesus said this in John 7:17 "Anyone who wants to do the will of God will know whether my teaching is from God or is merely my own." Of course we can debate all day on the existence of God, but that's useless since the Bible says that you'll always be confused about this until you surrender TO God. The issue is not "Is there a God?" but the REAL issue is whether or not you love your sin, Carl. Do you love to lie and lust after other women and accuse God of being unholy? Do you love to pretend that you're a "good person" and maybe even "better" than the drug addicts you hear about or the criminals in prisons? The issue is that men love darkness and will not come to the light, Carl. If you have no interest in truth then you will never have the question answered in your heart concerning the existence of God. You see, my friend, you're dead in sin and sin ALWAYS blinds us to the truth. When you're ready to stop comparing yourself to "bad" people and instead compare yourself to God's Law which condemns all who say there is no God, then will you be ready to "do" the will of God. The focal point is not whether God exists, but whether or not you're ready to admit that you're guilty of wickedness before the Lord. One thing is certain: You will not take your sin to Heaven with you and I assure you by the Spirit of God that there is a Heaven and a Hell. Choose THIS day who you will serve, Carl.
Carl
I'm only a teenager and I don't understand life...I dreamed of life as a perfect world until what I've experienced and seen during my days alive. I hate lies although I encorporate them in my life and so does everyone...how can you know there is heaven and a hell or even assure me? I can't be wick if I don't believe, nor does it make me horrible...it's only my choice of living life...based on John 7:17 and what I've read, it's saying that I have a choice of spending my life believing in him and finding out by the end weather or not he truly exist...I choose the path where I don't believe in somebody and go along with my life enjoying it and being kind...I love the bible sir..I agree with what you're telling me, but I disagree with certain parts telling me that I'll regret not trusting or believing in him...I don't want to because it's a matter of wanting, not needing...
Carl
Thank you Danny for being so motivating althouggh it hasn't gone through the way you would've wanted it to go...I'm willing to attend church and do anything a true Christian does, but it won't change my taughts, nor will it answer my questions. I'd be glad to be wrong about not believing and learning at the end of life...I want everyone to believe ..and understand God the way you do Danny because church and belief are the basics to being a better person...that is why I'm so kind, I was an excellent believer, I stop believing in God at the age of thirteen because I started questioning myself and life...I stop once my younger brother died and it's my main reason for losing my faith...I wish I could once believe again, but I've gone through too many experiences as a child getting hurt emotionally to believe in somebody who loves us...
Danny
Carl, let me ask you... You said you lost your faith at one point.... were you ever Born Again or were you simply a nominal church goer?
Danny
Carl, you said that it's a matter of wanting and not needing. I disagree. Men need Jesus while Jesus needs no man.... The Grace of God is so amazing that we're all given an opportunity to turn from our sin and come to Jesus EVEN WHILE He doesn't "need" to save us.
Carl
When I lost faith, I stop going to church because I didn't feel right going somewhere that I disagree with.
Danny
Carl, were you Born Again before you lost faith?
Carl
yes i was...
Danny
If you were truly Born Again, then you and I both know, Brother, that while you may "say" you do not believe in God anymore, the truth is that you DO believe in God but are hurt and broken and if we're honest we know that in truth you're angry at God... but you do know He's real. Carl, I've had people die on me as well...my sister, for example, at a very young age. I could, as you, lose faith, but I know that there's a devil in this world who comes to steal and to kill and to destroy while God comes to bring life.... See More One day I'll meet my sister in Heaven if I continue in the faith... but woe to me if I turn away from what I know to be the truth. You see, Carl, it's all in how we see things. You can live your life blaming God just as I could do also, OR you can take the Narrow Road and accept that life has natural consequences as well as spiritual consequences. Nothing in earthly life is guaranteed but that doesn't at all mean that God is silent. Just look at what Jesus went through. He who knew no sin took your place that you might be made free form bitterness against even God, my Brother. Jesus wants to take your pain... so why are you still carrying it?
Jonathan
lack of understanding is the cause of ignorance
Carl
If he is true, why must he let us lose against the devil?
Carl
Death is good for survival and life at certain times actually, but that time...he wasn't ready, sometimes i wish that i had died rather than him.
Carl
btw Jonathan, what are you talking about and who are you?
Rajiv
it is indeed a blessing and i dont have to be religious to know that. a real joyfull feeling, to cherish.
Danny
Carl, perhaps he wasn't ready... but this is not the fault of God and nor is it YOUR fault, Brother and most importantly you cannot change the past. If, however, you live your life bitter at God for situations that took place, you're living in a state of denial and delusion. God is not the author of sin or death, Carl; Scripture says he does NOT take pleasure in a person's death yet He also allows it. There are other powers at work in this world, Carl; you and I both agree that God is Holy and Just and we agree that there's a real devil and that there's sin in the world, and the results of sin are death. Even the innocent are subject to death, Brother. My sister died and it wasn't her time at all. Do I blame God? Not at all. She died because the results of sin took her life, even though she was innocent. Sin affects all of us, from the innocent right down to the wicked; no one is immune from death, even an early death. This is why the Scripture tells us to be ready at all times, because no one is promised another day on earth; the Book of James says this very clearly. It may not seem fair in our human understanding, but God be praised because He's Holy and Righteous and Just. Rather than become bitter towards our Holy and Loving God, why don't you talk to Him about how you feel and what you've been going through? It's no sin to tell God how bitter you are at Him... as a matter of fact, it's the best thing you can do, Carl. Be honest with God and tell Him how upset and angry you are that He allowed your brother to pass on. Ask Him why and ask Him to prove to you that He loved your brother. You'll never find true freedom in your life until you do this. When we have human relationships that get strained, the WORST thing to do is stop speaking to one another. I couldn't imagine becoming upset at my daughter and then refusing to speak to her. No, I become upset and tell her how I feel and why I feel that way and we work through it...and when I'm wrong, I need to humble myself and ask her forgiveness. It's the same with God, Brother. I can personally tell you that I know God will respond to you; I hear from Him on a constant basis and so can you. The worst thing you can do is run from the One who asks you to come to Him again and tell Him how you feel and why you feel it.
Jonathan
Carl, I know who I am and who I am in Christ. I am not lost neither blind nor ignorant to HIS WORD. I know and believe that Christ is the answer to everything. One can only say these thing if they have/had truly experienced Christ in their lives. I have let go off my past and understand why things are the way they are....people die(naturally and spiritually) because they choose a certain path for themselves knowing it's the wrong path...based on that (gut)feeling or voice inside your head.... you seem to know much about robotics and if I was to get in your face about robotics, I will never feel the same "love" you have for robotics because I have no interest in it, BUT if you have the patience(like Danny) to explain to an ignorant person about robotics, and that person has an open mind, maybe that person will come to love robotics such as yourself. BUT if that persons mind is not open and don't want to bother with robotics, you would say...I'm wasting my time trying to explain my "love" to someone with a closed mind.... This is why is say...lack of understanding about something is the cause of ignorance...You don't understand God or his Word so there fore you are ignorant in my eyes.
You don't seem as if you want to learn(about God) but rather BLAME GOD and his followers....for something you thought was wrong in your eyes.....
God does everything on HIS TIME and when HE's ready for you, dead or alive, that's between you and HIM. I have peace like no other...and I know that you have never felt peace in your life just by your talk. You believe what you want and we JESUS Lovers will believe what we want...I know that Jesus works for me and I am no fool to argue with a fool. My soul will forever be in HIS HANDS and forever happy. I don't waste my time trying to explain myself and my GOD to people. If HE wants you HE will let you know, and when HE lets you know, YOU will know and come to understand who GOD really is. EVERYONE please pray for this LOST SOUL!!!!
Jonathan
PS CARL-if you don't believe in GOD why bother to comment...on a link about GOD. Christians....i think it's becuase he is looking for something.....and we all know how GOD WORKS and how the devil works... those with spiritual eyes can see what I am seeing:)
Jonathan
can scientist prove where the gases came from that started the BIG BANG or how the BIG BANG happened... hmmmm.....scientist can only go so far....BUT GOD was THERE BEFORE IT ALL..
Carl
This has brought memories and pain and I haven't felt this close to feeling terrible in a while....I'm scarred of pain and I never blamed God for my younger brother's death although it seems that way....I just don't know why he let go of him...my brother fought for his life and yet this God I trusted in let go of him...I don't feel as connected to ...God anymore because I haven't spoken to him in at least 3 years...he'd probably reject me like he rejected my brother or like I rejected him...I cried most nights after my brothers death and believed there's nobody out there looking over us...but I may be wrong...I'm not as strong as you Danny to keep my faith knowing he didn't keep him alive...I prayed every night for my brother and believed in God and asked him the same things every night.. He didn't act upon my needs...I felt hurt, but you came along Danny and told me that I'm wrong and that I shouldn't be mad or depressed..I want to communicate again, but I don't know how to...I don't know what'll say or do, I don't have the guts to do it...I was raised thinking that i should never be upset at God...I was such a believer that I use to hear his voice in my mind speaking to me and he even told me messages to pass along to other people when I was about 10 years old.. I won't have those times again Danny.. One thing goes wrong and it's all over... I'm confused believing that there is nobody out there or if there is, he doesn't care about my family or me...
Jonathan
a soft answer turneth away wrath!!!!
Jonathan
Carl, if you need answers to your WHY"S there are many of us who are willing to help you.
Carl
Thank you Jonathan, what you've said so far is extraordinary and maybe you are waisting your time with me...but I don't feel that way, I'm currently understanding certain things that I kept questioning for the past two years thanks to Danny...I happen to be peacefull also except when it comes to discussions concerning God and his presence...I ... think I am a lost soul as you mentioned, but none of us (confused or nonbelievers) want to be a LOST SOUL. I now think that there is a God or a soul who care for us all, but I have lost faith in him and want it back...I don't really know about the big bang theory, but it's a law and it's been proven....I just don't know why the person I use to and currently am trying to believe in again can't be proven to non-believers...I hope you understand what I'm trying to say here Jonathan, and please reply... What the pastor has already said and your addition have lessen my anger towards myself and God...and I just need a little bit more help to fully get back in track, I just don't know how to do it...
Jonathan
You know God has never turned his back on you. You did that to HIM.
i will add you and you can ask me anything. i promise.
i have to go for now, but i will be back on tommorow. leave me a message as to what you need to understand.
Carl
I'm sorry Jonathan, but may I contact you through MSN or a live messenger? I'm extremely interested in continuing our convo...
Jonathan
Carl, I added you but i don't see you online?
Jonathan
i don't have MSN
Jonathan
if you have a bible, just open it and read wherever your eyes land.
BUT FIRST, ask GOD, before you read, for understanding.
Say a quick prayer and let HIM know you want to come back and HE has promised to help you, so HOLD HIM TO HIS PROMISES.
Ask for forgiveness and that you NEED HIS GUIDANCE AND HELP..and things will go from there.... ask all these whole heartedly, like you seriously mean it, not sorta..but fo realz:)...
Carl
I have or at least had many "Why's", but maybe there are certain things or questions we must be patient for and try to comprehend them through other sentences or answers unrelated...
Jonathan
as you read and study God's WORD, you will come to undertsanding.
You also have to go to church-church is like school for Christians:)
GOD answers prayers that are done with a whole heart....and if you tell HIM that you need faith, with a whole heart, HE will grant it.....
so always send your request to GOD witha whole heart...
Carl
Thank you very much evryone for making me understand that I was wrong and giving me a head start on believing in him again who loves us all....he'll be hearing from me soon and I'll be his again...thank you, I learn something today....it made me happy and won't only help me today, but for the rest of my life...I wish I had done this earlier.. The lesson here is that God is always right and that you my friends must speak to him and be patient even when you're upset...I will change my life around for the better and I will live my life in peace...thank you... :-)
Jonathan
I don't see you online, and I have to get to bed. I will continue talking to you tommorow. BE PATIENT.....WITH GOD.... just like you are at building robotics:) your skills in robotics comes with experience and time, JUST like Faith, patience, trust, love, joy etc IN GOD.... one step at a time. He knows and sees those who are really trying...to find HIM..no one can see your heart excpet HIM, so HE KNOWS what you are in need of and is seeking...it all takes time...
Jonathan
Don't lose your faith, CARL...it get's better. I KNOW
Carl
Yes I will go to church and communicate once again with him and be patient because I hurt him and I must wait for his forgiveness...I'm not perfect and I will never be...but whenever I ask him for purity...he will grant it to me until the end of my time.. I'm a different person now and hopefully he'll welcome me to his house and serve me his wine...I will believe in him and share my taughts like I use to...I must forgive myself first...
Carl
Good night...sleep in peace everyone and don't make the same mistake I made..
Elisa
God Bless You Carl,Feel free to ask questions to Jonathan or Danny or feel free to talk to me about anything. Talk soon Brother
Areefa
this convo made me the happiest person ever!!! God bless everyone, enjoy ur day
It all started when a Christian became cruel with a person who had lost his faith and I felt truly led by God to rebuke her openly for her unChristlike behaviour towards a teenager without God and then to minister to him.
The end result is a miracle! I will post it here... be blessed, Praise God!
His name is Carl... so keep your eyes on his words and notice how the moving of the Spirit takes place as the conversation progresses:
Elisa
Goooodmorning everyone!!! What a blessing to wake up to see a new day.What a JOyyyyy !!
)) Sweet Jesus,Thank you so much ! Hope all of you have an awesome day.Dino
Goodmorning Elisa!!!!
Carl
If he's "sweet", then why is it people didn't wake up or other died...
Elisa
Just because some people did not wake up this morning,does not mean He is not Sweet dear Carl. God is not to blame.All have been given time on earth what we do with that time is up to us. Who is innocent? We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The wages of sin is death. He gave life ,He can take it away if he wants.Innocent people die because of sin. People get sick because of sin. Choices we make over our lives can shorten or prolong our lives. Everyone dies. Good or evil, male or female, young or old.
Rafael
g'mornin
Suzan
tell him lisa...I HATE WEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT GOD....if u dont spend time with him...hes not gon spend time with you...in short...why wud he evn bohter to help u?...wen u show no respect to Jesus at all...
Jonathan
I agree with you Elisa:) The last sentence says it all-"choices we make can shorten or prolong our lives". When God tells us one thing and we decide to do our own thing that is when we get sick/die/hurt etc. Those who don't know/experienced God will never understand how AWESOME HE IS. He's sweeter than life.
Danny
Suzan Kartoikromo, when we as Christians speak as you have to non Believers it's no wonder they show Jesus no respect, because Jesus' people don't seem to show respect to non Christians. If you want to see Carl show respect to Jesus, perhaps you should show respect to him by explaining WHY Jesus is wonderful. No offense, sister, but your words are not at all Christlike. Jesus NEVER told His Disciples not to "bother to help" non Christians. Non Christians DON'T love Jesus because they don't KNOW Jesus; what else did you expect form a noon Christian?Show the love of God, Suzan Kartoikromo, or simply don't speak as you make Christians look like mean spirited people with the words you coldly wrote to Carl. To Carl: Please don't for one moment think that Christians will not "bother with you". If you would ever like to talk about Jesus, Elisa is there to share Jesus as are many other Christians who can explain with compassion why we believe as we do. May the light of Christ shine on you, Carl, and may you come to know the One who died to give you life.
Carl
Everyone who commented on this post is going to die sooner or later...it could be today, tomorrow or sometime this week...anywhere anytime...there are so many religions with different Gods who look different.. All these are faith because human nature is scarred of death and need to believe there is someone out there watching out for them or is waiting for them after death...where you're all wrong is that there is nothing out there, even if there were; then he/she isn't fair at all.
Carl
Where is that light located? I can't see it..btw, not all non-Christians don't know who you call Jesus...some have just lost their faith..
Carl
If you have all fallen short of his beliefs or what he wants...how could you call yourselves believer?
...I'm not a believer, yet I can be the nicest person in my school...not because someone or a friend or neighbor doesn't believe make you better than him/her...scientist have already proven your God wrong through theories...Carl
God enjoys taking lives then....he take the lives of baby's all the time...
Carl
Btw Suzan, I don't complain about God because idc. I just like expressing my non-beliefs and try to show people that they're just brain-washed...
Danny
Carl, I never chose Jesus... He chose me. Supernaturally He saved me without my "studying" religion, etc. You see, all religions have a founder, but only my God (Jesus Christ) rose from the grave. If He didn't rise, why then did the Romans not produce His body to "prove" that He was a liar? It would have been soooo easy to prove Jesus was a liar because the Romans could have taken His body....UNLESS He really did rise from the dead. That's the problem... no one can produce the body of Jesus even though the Romans had every chance to do so. Three days later, He rose from the dead. The question, Carl, is whether when you die you'll stand before God pure of fornication, lying, etc. If you decide to take that chance, to gamble with your soul, then know that an eternity in Hell, separated from God, awaits you. If, however, you sincerely go to God in prayer asking Him to reveal Himself to you, you can be set free form the power of sin and separation from God. At it stands, you're spiritually dead in your sin and that may not sound appealing to you but God says that unless you turn from sin, Carl, that you will perish. The Good News is that Jesus Christ is alive and sits now on the right hand of God the Father. There's no reason that you need to live in your sin anylonger because Jesus Christ invites you to come to Him in simple faith. The question is: Will you?
Carl
My only question is "is there a God and how do we know or are we just waisting our time Danny?
Carl
Dear Danny, I'm enjoying life as it is without a God and we all lie...we just don't admit the fact that we lie...people could say otherwise about your God name Jesus...if he doth exist, why won't he prove himself or show himself to his believers...doesn't he have enough power to make believer eternal and make everyone his own.
Carl
How do you know so much about the body of "Jesus" rising and his existence? Do you read the bible? Who wrote the bible? Are those primary sources? Were you present at the time of all of their stories? The bible is just a poem and it's not perfect...you have to comprehend what you've read and not just read it and say exactly what it says.
Carl
Why is it Priest or Pastors take your money? Why do you have to go to church? Can't you just pray in your house and speak to him yourself? Why did he choose you Danny and not everyone else..the world is horrible out there and your beliefs won't save you from getting killed, assassinated or dying...do animals believe in God too? Are they believers also? It's interesting how your God created everything and the Bing Bang theory is proved?
Danny
Carl, the Bible gives the answer very clear. Jesus said this in John 7:17 "Anyone who wants to do the will of God will know whether my teaching is from God or is merely my own." Of course we can debate all day on the existence of God, but that's useless since the Bible says that you'll always be confused about this until you surrender TO God. The issue is not "Is there a God?" but the REAL issue is whether or not you love your sin, Carl. Do you love to lie and lust after other women and accuse God of being unholy? Do you love to pretend that you're a "good person" and maybe even "better" than the drug addicts you hear about or the criminals in prisons? The issue is that men love darkness and will not come to the light, Carl. If you have no interest in truth then you will never have the question answered in your heart concerning the existence of God. You see, my friend, you're dead in sin and sin ALWAYS blinds us to the truth. When you're ready to stop comparing yourself to "bad" people and instead compare yourself to God's Law which condemns all who say there is no God, then will you be ready to "do" the will of God. The focal point is not whether God exists, but whether or not you're ready to admit that you're guilty of wickedness before the Lord. One thing is certain: You will not take your sin to Heaven with you and I assure you by the Spirit of God that there is a Heaven and a Hell. Choose THIS day who you will serve, Carl.
Carl
I'm only a teenager and I don't understand life...I dreamed of life as a perfect world until what I've experienced and seen during my days alive. I hate lies although I encorporate them in my life and so does everyone...how can you know there is heaven and a hell or even assure me? I can't be wick if I don't believe, nor does it make me horrible...it's only my choice of living life...based on John 7:17 and what I've read, it's saying that I have a choice of spending my life believing in him and finding out by the end weather or not he truly exist...I choose the path where I don't believe in somebody and go along with my life enjoying it and being kind...I love the bible sir..I agree with what you're telling me, but I disagree with certain parts telling me that I'll regret not trusting or believing in him...I don't want to because it's a matter of wanting, not needing...
Carl
Thank you Danny for being so motivating althouggh it hasn't gone through the way you would've wanted it to go...I'm willing to attend church and do anything a true Christian does, but it won't change my taughts, nor will it answer my questions. I'd be glad to be wrong about not believing and learning at the end of life...I want everyone to believe ..and understand God the way you do Danny because church and belief are the basics to being a better person...that is why I'm so kind, I was an excellent believer, I stop believing in God at the age of thirteen because I started questioning myself and life...I stop once my younger brother died and it's my main reason for losing my faith...I wish I could once believe again, but I've gone through too many experiences as a child getting hurt emotionally to believe in somebody who loves us...
Danny
Carl, let me ask you... You said you lost your faith at one point.... were you ever Born Again or were you simply a nominal church goer?
Danny
Carl, you said that it's a matter of wanting and not needing. I disagree. Men need Jesus while Jesus needs no man.... The Grace of God is so amazing that we're all given an opportunity to turn from our sin and come to Jesus EVEN WHILE He doesn't "need" to save us.
Carl
When I lost faith, I stop going to church because I didn't feel right going somewhere that I disagree with.
Danny
Carl, were you Born Again before you lost faith?
Carl
yes i was...
Danny
If you were truly Born Again, then you and I both know, Brother, that while you may "say" you do not believe in God anymore, the truth is that you DO believe in God but are hurt and broken and if we're honest we know that in truth you're angry at God... but you do know He's real. Carl, I've had people die on me as well...my sister, for example, at a very young age. I could, as you, lose faith, but I know that there's a devil in this world who comes to steal and to kill and to destroy while God comes to bring life.... See More One day I'll meet my sister in Heaven if I continue in the faith... but woe to me if I turn away from what I know to be the truth. You see, Carl, it's all in how we see things. You can live your life blaming God just as I could do also, OR you can take the Narrow Road and accept that life has natural consequences as well as spiritual consequences. Nothing in earthly life is guaranteed but that doesn't at all mean that God is silent. Just look at what Jesus went through. He who knew no sin took your place that you might be made free form bitterness against even God, my Brother. Jesus wants to take your pain... so why are you still carrying it?
Jonathan
lack of understanding is the cause of ignorance
Carl
If he is true, why must he let us lose against the devil?
Carl
Death is good for survival and life at certain times actually, but that time...he wasn't ready, sometimes i wish that i had died rather than him.
Carl
btw Jonathan, what are you talking about and who are you?
Rajiv
it is indeed a blessing and i dont have to be religious to know that. a real joyfull feeling, to cherish.
Danny
Carl, perhaps he wasn't ready... but this is not the fault of God and nor is it YOUR fault, Brother and most importantly you cannot change the past. If, however, you live your life bitter at God for situations that took place, you're living in a state of denial and delusion. God is not the author of sin or death, Carl; Scripture says he does NOT take pleasure in a person's death yet He also allows it. There are other powers at work in this world, Carl; you and I both agree that God is Holy and Just and we agree that there's a real devil and that there's sin in the world, and the results of sin are death. Even the innocent are subject to death, Brother. My sister died and it wasn't her time at all. Do I blame God? Not at all. She died because the results of sin took her life, even though she was innocent. Sin affects all of us, from the innocent right down to the wicked; no one is immune from death, even an early death. This is why the Scripture tells us to be ready at all times, because no one is promised another day on earth; the Book of James says this very clearly. It may not seem fair in our human understanding, but God be praised because He's Holy and Righteous and Just. Rather than become bitter towards our Holy and Loving God, why don't you talk to Him about how you feel and what you've been going through? It's no sin to tell God how bitter you are at Him... as a matter of fact, it's the best thing you can do, Carl. Be honest with God and tell Him how upset and angry you are that He allowed your brother to pass on. Ask Him why and ask Him to prove to you that He loved your brother. You'll never find true freedom in your life until you do this. When we have human relationships that get strained, the WORST thing to do is stop speaking to one another. I couldn't imagine becoming upset at my daughter and then refusing to speak to her. No, I become upset and tell her how I feel and why I feel that way and we work through it...and when I'm wrong, I need to humble myself and ask her forgiveness. It's the same with God, Brother. I can personally tell you that I know God will respond to you; I hear from Him on a constant basis and so can you. The worst thing you can do is run from the One who asks you to come to Him again and tell Him how you feel and why you feel it.
Jonathan
Carl, I know who I am and who I am in Christ. I am not lost neither blind nor ignorant to HIS WORD. I know and believe that Christ is the answer to everything. One can only say these thing if they have/had truly experienced Christ in their lives. I have let go off my past and understand why things are the way they are....people die(naturally and spiritually) because they choose a certain path for themselves knowing it's the wrong path...based on that (gut)feeling or voice inside your head.... you seem to know much about robotics and if I was to get in your face about robotics, I will never feel the same "love" you have for robotics because I have no interest in it, BUT if you have the patience(like Danny) to explain to an ignorant person about robotics, and that person has an open mind, maybe that person will come to love robotics such as yourself. BUT if that persons mind is not open and don't want to bother with robotics, you would say...I'm wasting my time trying to explain my "love" to someone with a closed mind.... This is why is say...lack of understanding about something is the cause of ignorance...You don't understand God or his Word so there fore you are ignorant in my eyes.
You don't seem as if you want to learn(about God) but rather BLAME GOD and his followers....for something you thought was wrong in your eyes.....
God does everything on HIS TIME and when HE's ready for you, dead or alive, that's between you and HIM. I have peace like no other...and I know that you have never felt peace in your life just by your talk. You believe what you want and we JESUS Lovers will believe what we want...I know that Jesus works for me and I am no fool to argue with a fool. My soul will forever be in HIS HANDS and forever happy. I don't waste my time trying to explain myself and my GOD to people. If HE wants you HE will let you know, and when HE lets you know, YOU will know and come to understand who GOD really is. EVERYONE please pray for this LOST SOUL!!!!
Jonathan
PS CARL-if you don't believe in GOD why bother to comment...on a link about GOD. Christians....i think it's becuase he is looking for something.....and we all know how GOD WORKS and how the devil works... those with spiritual eyes can see what I am seeing:)
Jonathan
can scientist prove where the gases came from that started the BIG BANG or how the BIG BANG happened... hmmmm.....scientist can only go so far....BUT GOD was THERE BEFORE IT ALL..
Carl
This has brought memories and pain and I haven't felt this close to feeling terrible in a while....I'm scarred of pain and I never blamed God for my younger brother's death although it seems that way....I just don't know why he let go of him...my brother fought for his life and yet this God I trusted in let go of him...I don't feel as connected to ...God anymore because I haven't spoken to him in at least 3 years...he'd probably reject me like he rejected my brother or like I rejected him...I cried most nights after my brothers death and believed there's nobody out there looking over us...but I may be wrong...I'm not as strong as you Danny to keep my faith knowing he didn't keep him alive...I prayed every night for my brother and believed in God and asked him the same things every night.. He didn't act upon my needs...I felt hurt, but you came along Danny and told me that I'm wrong and that I shouldn't be mad or depressed..I want to communicate again, but I don't know how to...I don't know what'll say or do, I don't have the guts to do it...I was raised thinking that i should never be upset at God...I was such a believer that I use to hear his voice in my mind speaking to me and he even told me messages to pass along to other people when I was about 10 years old.. I won't have those times again Danny.. One thing goes wrong and it's all over... I'm confused believing that there is nobody out there or if there is, he doesn't care about my family or me...
Jonathan
a soft answer turneth away wrath!!!!
Jonathan
Carl, if you need answers to your WHY"S there are many of us who are willing to help you.
Carl
Thank you Jonathan, what you've said so far is extraordinary and maybe you are waisting your time with me...but I don't feel that way, I'm currently understanding certain things that I kept questioning for the past two years thanks to Danny...I happen to be peacefull also except when it comes to discussions concerning God and his presence...I ... think I am a lost soul as you mentioned, but none of us (confused or nonbelievers) want to be a LOST SOUL. I now think that there is a God or a soul who care for us all, but I have lost faith in him and want it back...I don't really know about the big bang theory, but it's a law and it's been proven....I just don't know why the person I use to and currently am trying to believe in again can't be proven to non-believers...I hope you understand what I'm trying to say here Jonathan, and please reply... What the pastor has already said and your addition have lessen my anger towards myself and God...and I just need a little bit more help to fully get back in track, I just don't know how to do it...
Jonathan
You know God has never turned his back on you. You did that to HIM.
i will add you and you can ask me anything. i promise.
i have to go for now, but i will be back on tommorow. leave me a message as to what you need to understand.
Carl
I'm sorry Jonathan, but may I contact you through MSN or a live messenger? I'm extremely interested in continuing our convo...
Jonathan
Carl, I added you but i don't see you online?
Jonathan
i don't have MSN
Jonathan
if you have a bible, just open it and read wherever your eyes land.
BUT FIRST, ask GOD, before you read, for understanding.
Say a quick prayer and let HIM know you want to come back and HE has promised to help you, so HOLD HIM TO HIS PROMISES.
Ask for forgiveness and that you NEED HIS GUIDANCE AND HELP..and things will go from there.... ask all these whole heartedly, like you seriously mean it, not sorta..but fo realz:)...
Carl
I have or at least had many "Why's", but maybe there are certain things or questions we must be patient for and try to comprehend them through other sentences or answers unrelated...
Jonathan
as you read and study God's WORD, you will come to undertsanding.
You also have to go to church-church is like school for Christians:)
GOD answers prayers that are done with a whole heart....and if you tell HIM that you need faith, with a whole heart, HE will grant it.....
so always send your request to GOD witha whole heart...
Carl
Thank you very much evryone for making me understand that I was wrong and giving me a head start on believing in him again who loves us all....he'll be hearing from me soon and I'll be his again...thank you, I learn something today....it made me happy and won't only help me today, but for the rest of my life...I wish I had done this earlier.. The lesson here is that God is always right and that you my friends must speak to him and be patient even when you're upset...I will change my life around for the better and I will live my life in peace...thank you... :-)
Jonathan
I don't see you online, and I have to get to bed. I will continue talking to you tommorow. BE PATIENT.....WITH GOD.... just like you are at building robotics:) your skills in robotics comes with experience and time, JUST like Faith, patience, trust, love, joy etc IN GOD.... one step at a time. He knows and sees those who are really trying...to find HIM..no one can see your heart excpet HIM, so HE KNOWS what you are in need of and is seeking...it all takes time...
Jonathan
Don't lose your faith, CARL...it get's better. I KNOW
Carl
Yes I will go to church and communicate once again with him and be patient because I hurt him and I must wait for his forgiveness...I'm not perfect and I will never be...but whenever I ask him for purity...he will grant it to me until the end of my time.. I'm a different person now and hopefully he'll welcome me to his house and serve me his wine...I will believe in him and share my taughts like I use to...I must forgive myself first...
Carl
Good night...sleep in peace everyone and don't make the same mistake I made..
Elisa
God Bless You Carl,Feel free to ask questions to Jonathan or Danny or feel free to talk to me about anything. Talk soon Brother
Areefa
this convo made me the happiest person ever!!! God bless everyone, enjoy ur day
